This same discussion happened yesterday on the French forums. So what I am about to say is coming through a translation filter and I may not have it exactly correct. I will put the gist of what I have gotten from the French thread in code blocks.

During development of SoN, DPG realized the old system would not work with some of the more powerful monsters, so the system had to change. You can use the old zombies within the A!C scenarios and they work fine under the old rules.

To me, that means that the A!C boards still work fine within their original context. That is not what DPG is saying as any sort of official policy, that is just my personal opinion.

DPG is trying to figure out the best way to integrate the old version of the A!C kickstarter. No decision yet.

However, the new version of the A!C zombies are already available for download if you are willing to print out the updates.

Short answer seems to be take old Terror value and subtract it from 9… that gets you the new Terror value.

Quote from Yuma on [08/11/2015] à 18:40

i fear this does not just inclued the zombie units but also other mythos beasties from A!C… so i started to apply the "subtract from 9" solution

You are correct, and I was being a bit facetious. Sorry about that. I have a twisted sense of humor. As I said in an earlier reply DPG is already aware and thinking about an integration guide of some variety. There is no official document yet.

The image of the updates version are all available in the downloads section. You don't have to guess about the numbers, you can just reference the updated images.

The zombie math works easily, so that is simple to allow the use of all the zombie in your SoN game. The other monster values changed a bit with the additional development and playtesting of SoN. I think the new system is much smoother, and can more easily account for the larger monsters (and there are some very large monsters).

I have said this before, but I will try to clarify my personal point of view on this: The A!C stuff was originally designed as an tie-in for HoN and as a stand alone property. SoN was coming later but had not been developed. It is not that big a surprise that later development showed a weakness in the existing system.

The A!C stuff is all internally consistent, and can be used as-is with the V1 A!C rules. There is no guide yet available to handle their integration with the rest of the SoN stuff — There is only so much development time available and a lot of things still in the pipeline.

Quote from Yuma on [08/11/2015] à 20:33

my last post wasnt realy meant as a rant or squabblings of an upset customer.

more like an random amount of discovered rulescollisions to help whomever is tinkering with an integration guide.

I appreciate the discussion. I do have to be careful sometimes between my personal views and any DPG opinion.

Quote from Yuma on [08/11/2015] à 20:33

I really like the sticker-solution-idea to fix minor things like a missing or changed special ability. I have no clue about the difference in cost for errata punchies to such stickersheets, but those could be turned into a sort of "build your own hero/unit" or even "experience system for heroes" expansions too.

but I wander off topic..

You should send this one to Axel. Given what they have mentioned about wanting to expand SoN into a more "Adventure" based system, that could work well. Present it to them

Quote from Yuma on [08/11/2015] à 20:33

(oh, and if there where stickers for mythos manifestation, i could make the alpha section werewolves cause terror… i realy should make a new topic about this^^ )

Heh. By all means, go for it. As you point out, that should be a different thread 🙂

i had a closer look today, and i have to admit that its not that grave an issue.

i'll list all the mythos manifetation related stuff again. where i found it, i add the new values. i still have problems with downloading, so i could not check the A!C units pdf. if someone finds new values there, please add them to the list.

where new values are missing, the "subtract from 9" solution is probably the best way to go in the meantime.

ere we go:

deep one commandos: (old) 6,

mi-go's: (old) 5,

master egon: (old) 6,

chtonian: (old) 3,

chtonian underground move: (old) 5, (new. A!C errata) 1

hounds of tindalos: (old) 5, (new. call1) 3

Suppurator field: (old) 6, (new. A!C errata) 2

Zombies: (old) 8, (new. call1) 1

Fat Zombie: (old) 7, (new. call1) 2

Mutant Zombie: (old) 6, (new. call1) 3

Zombie Dogs: (old) 8, (new. more zombies errata) 1

on board K1-B:

one printed MM sign (cells): with a value of (old) 7.

board K2-B:

3 signs (laboratory, summoning circle, enbalming room): (old) 4, 6, 7.

board K3-B:

3 signs (elder thing room, temple, hallway): (old) 4, 3, 5.

the "Master of the Dead" ability has a new symbol. that is not realy important. but imo i would be good to know how a model with MotD reacts to mythos manifestation/terror??

on the mythos hunter front i am still clueless on how to convert, or if at all?

especialy on all those badger commandoes it could remain "just" terror resistant, this way they are somewhat used to glibbering tentakles, but not necessary better at killing them. and the points cost could rest untouched. the officer could be changed from TR 2 to mythos hunter +1 (like hamilton was in the errata). bit of extra punch..

prof. Deadman already has a +3 symbol, useing this with the new rules would make him a bit more expensive though i guess.

so, hope this helps and any new found insight is much appreciated.

deep one commandos: (old) 6,new 2 on A!C download

mi-go's: (old) 5,new 3 on A!C download

master egon: (old) 6,new 2 on A!C download

chtonian: (old) 3,new 5 on A!C download

chtonian underground move: (old) 5, (new. A!C errata) 1

hounds of tindalos: (old) 5, (new. call1) 3same on A!C download

Suppurator field: (old) 6, (new. A!C errata) 2

Zombies: (old) 8, (new. call1) 1

Fat Zombie: (old) 7, (new. call1) 2

Mutant Zombie: (old) 6, (new. call1) 3

Zombie Dogs: (old) 8, (new. more zombies errata) 1

on board K1-B:

one printed MM sign (cells): with a value of (old) 7.new 1 on A!C download

board K2-B:

3 signs (laboratory, summoning circle, enbalming room): (old) 4, 6, 7.new 1,2,1on A!C download

board K3-B:

3 signs (elder thing room, temple, hallway): (old) 4, 3, 5.new 5,7,2 on A!C download

as it looks, i can download on days with even numbers only.. maybe i should have refused the ks-cthulhu unit, haveing HIM in the flat could not go well afterall.. at least i have the badger now 😉

Can you confirm on the printing quality and shade of these fine products?. . . I have some older original Cthulhu and zombies. . Are the new colors on the reprints much darker, sort of darker, not darker at all? . . .Trying to see if the boards will show a massive color shift on the newer products compared to the older. . Please show pictures if you would be so kind. . . Are these new products much darker and hard to read or is the printing on point just as before. . .Go Devil Pig!

the zed's from call 1 are indeed a bit darker, at least at first look.

it does so because the hue of green has changed a bit.

the unitcolorbands are darker, almost the same green as the rest of the bordercolor. the border itself has changed from a more olive green to a hmm.. greener green? 🙄 as before it has a darker bottompart and the top has a dark corner, but now you actually see, that this dark corner swirls into the green.

the pictures have also gone a bit darker, mainly on the green parts too. so gras is greener, zombieflesh too and the hound of tindalos looks more black/greyish.

great to hear the sticker-news. if the background will be translucent, you might consider some with building-access arrows too?

@jvannucchi… about the color.. I do not have the original Cthulhu stuff from the HoN kickstarter but I have gotten everything else.

The shade is.. in my opinion.. darker than the original HoN stuff and is much closer in shade to St Mere Eglise board colors though it may be slightly lighter(slightly).. again.. my untrained old eyes

Question: Is the "More Zombies" in the current Kickstarter the updated stats or just a reprint of the old stats?

Will make a difference I've I add them on since I don't want to mix old stat data with the SoH stuff.

Thanks.