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Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [06/11/2018] à 03:17

Hello, I believe I have found 2 tiles with errors.


1. I have an Ork Extra Armour that cost 15pts, while the others cost 10pts.

(Don't know if it's from DZ, base, or reinforcements)


2. SM Standard Bearer – Vandius, is the only SM Character without a limited firing range of four squares icon on the token. It seems pretty clear he's holding a pistol and the other units have been consistent between this icon and image portrayed.


Let me know. Thanks.


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Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [06/11/2018] à 09:03

1. I have an Ork Extra Armour that cost 15pts, while the others cost 10pts. (Don't know if it's from DZ, base, or reinforcements)


The 15 pt Ork Extra Armor comes from the Ork Freebooterz preorder bonus. The other two Ork Extra Armor options cost 10 pts and come from the Core Box and the Ork Reinforcements.


There are other inconsistencies between the preorder bonuses and the rest. I think Devil Pig Games finalized the preorder tiles before the rest of the game. As a result, there are some differences like this.


2. SM Standard Bearer – Vandius, is the only SM Character without a limited firing range of four squares icon on the token. It seems pretty clear he's holding a pistol and the other units have been consistent between this icon and image portrayed.


Good catch! I think you're right. Brother Vandius should probably have limited range.


Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [06/11/2018] à 23:21

Quote from Quickle on [06/11/2018] à 09:03

There are other inconsistencies between the preorder bonuses and the rest. I think Devil Pig Games finalized the preorder tiles before the rest of the game. As a result, there are some differences like this.


Such as? Please open a new thread for the various issues to help other players find them when they come to the forums later.


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Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [06/11/2018] à 23:28

Completely erroneous post removed.


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Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [07/11/2018] à 00:20

Quote from Nostradunwhich on [06/11/2018] à 23:28

Cpt. Secandius has the Twin-Linked icon, and although my knowledge of WH40K is a bit out of date, wouldn't that be a twin-bolter, not a pistol? I did not think there was a twin pistol in 40K


Do you mean Cpt Sicarius?

He appears to be holding a Storm Bolter, which always have two barrels.

The tell-tale sign is the hanging ammo chain below it, only Storm Bolters and Heavy Bolters have those. (to my knowledge)


Standard marines typically have Bolters.

Terminators typically have Storm Bolters.

A few hard-core marines have had Storm Bolters.

So not too surprising if Sicarius has it.


I have seen twin-linked bolters before but it was on a vehicle.

Haven't heard of twin-linked bolt pistols before.


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Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [07/11/2018] à 04:38

Oops! 😳

Yes, I meant Cpt Sicarius… which has nothing to do with the original question.

Don't know how I got that off track.


But as for Brother Vandius, I am not sure that IS a pistol in his hand. Sgt Vandar has a pistol and it looks nothing like what is in Vandius' hand. Is there some description I am missing or a picture I am not remembering that shows him with a pistol?


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Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [07/11/2018] à 06:06

Quote from Nostradunwhich on [07/11/2018] à 04:38

But as for Brother Vandius, I am not sure that IS a pistol in his hand. Sgt Vandar has a pistol and it looks nothing like what is in Vandius' hand. Is there some description I am missing or a picture I am not remembering that shows him with a pistol?


Re: Sgt Vandar

His recruitment tile shows him holding a bolter. His unit token shows him holding in his left hand a red bolt pistol, shown sideways a.k.a gangsta style 😉 (The thing in his right hand is a chain-sword).


Re: Br Vandius

His support tile makes it difficult to see the exact weapon, however, the clip can just be seen which indicates a bolter or bolt pistol. His unit token shows him holdingin his left hand a grey bolt pistol, shown from above.


Does that clear it up?


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Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [07/11/2018] à 08:06

I appreciate the explanations. Thanks.


If Br. Vandius' weapon cannot be clearly identified, then perhaps the range limit is not missing? That was what I was trying to figure out, but as you mention it is not clear.


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Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [07/11/2018] à 09:57

For what it's worth, many of the older GW marine banner bearer figures had boltguns.


So I'm gonna treat Brother Vandius as having a boltgun, so his range is a normal boltgun range and not the limited bolt pistol range.


Also, a storm bolter (i.e. bolter with 2 barrels) is a common weapon available to SM officers.


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Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [07/11/2018] à 10:44

I hope I don't break any copyright rules but I just found this picture on the web :



EDIT : picture removed… wasn't allowed per copyright rules. Google for yourself ("Ultramarine Brother Vandius") and you will find enough pictures


Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [07/11/2018] à 19:54

Every picture I see shows him with a Bolter, not a pistol, so the token is correct as far as I can see.


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Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [07/11/2018] à 23:38

Quote from Nostradunwhich on [07/11/2018] à 08:06

I appreciate the explanations. Thanks.


If Br. Vandius' weapon cannot be clearly identified, then perhaps the range limit is not missing? That was what I was trying to figure out, but as you mention it is not clear.



No that's not right.


Just like Sgt Vandar, there's a difference between the recruitment art and the actual unit token picture. Vandar ART clearly shows bolter, but Vandar unit clearly shows pistol AND 4 range limit.


Br Vandius weapon CAN be clearly identified on his unit token, it's a pistol. It's the recruitment tile ART that's either pistol or bolter (probably pistol).


I googled Brother Vandius and saw pictures of him with a pistol and others with a bolter. But his unit picture has 100% DEFINITELY a pistol. There's no uncertainly with that. I had a SM 40K team I used to play with and can tell these things with ease.


I'll definitely be playing Vandius with a range limit of 4.


This is consistent with his unit image and consistent with the other SM characters.


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Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [07/11/2018] à 23:43

Quote from Nostradunwhich on [07/11/2018] à 19:54

Every picture I see shows him with a Bolter, not a pistol, so the token is correct as far as I can see.



Google Brother Vandius.

The third image should be him with a golden bolt pistol and no helmet.


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Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [08/11/2018] à 04:00

Quote from Mad Scientist on [07/11/2018] à 23:43


Quote from Nostradunwhich on [07/11/2018] à 19:54

Every picture I see shows him with a Bolter, not a pistol, so the token is correct as far as I can see.



Google Brother Vandius.

The third image should be him with a golden bolt pistol and no helmet.


One example does not an errata make. He is not holding said golden bolt pistol. For that matter, the art on a token does not necessarily indicate an error on the tile either. This game is not "what you see is what is fielded", so if the figure shows a pistol but the stats say "Bolter" then its a bolter. WH40K may prefer you do the conversion, but I would recommend you don't cut the tokens up like that.

(If you don't play miniatures games, that may not mean that much to you, but given this is a WH40K-adjacent game, I suspect most of you do 😉


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Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [08/11/2018] à 07:10

It seems we are at a dilemma.


Whether we say it's a bolter or a pistol it's ultimately our personal bias and opinion only.


Will we get an official verdict on this?

Can whomever designed this character for HoBR confirm the intentional exclusion of the 4 square firing limit?


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Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [08/11/2018] à 07:24

Quote from Mad Scientist on [07/11/2018] à 23:43

Google Brother Vandius.

The third image should be him with a golden bolt pistol and no helmet.


And the 6th picture (the frontal drawing) shows him with a bolter. And that picture/drawing is taken from an official GW product (the Space Marine Codex).


And while I think they indeed forgot to put the limited range icon on the token, I'm going to play him as-is… That one extra bolgun instead of a bolt pistol is not going to help them win the war 😉


Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [08/11/2018] à 08:17

They did not forget. I linked the discussion to Guillaume and he said that the token is correct. Sorry for not mentioning that sooner.


I was trying to determine if there was some sort of WH40K thing that lead to this being brought up as errata. He is not an officer, so as a veteran line trooper it is not a stretch to think he would be armed with a bolter.


I get that people see patterns all the time, but there is certainly no set pattern that most single-figure units have pistols.


Sgt Telion does not have a pistol.

Sgt Elias does not have one either.

(Sgts are about 3:5 pistols, but it is certainly not all of them.)


Cpt Sicarius doesn't have a pistol.


So Br. Vandius is hardly the only exception to the proposed pattern.


He is an Ancient (veteran) and not a Sgt or Captain, which to my mind would give him less chance of having a pistol.


Sorry if I seem to be arguing about this, I am just trying to find a reasonable set of rules to help people reason through such things and be able to resolve a question during a game. If the game mechanics are applied consistently and logically, it makes it easier to deal with questions. So I was digging into this one to try and understand the situation.


Not sure if this is coming across as I intend, apologies in advance if I am not being clear. I did not mean anything by the discussion, as I said I was just trying to understand where people were coming from.


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Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [08/11/2018] à 08:30

Whether or not the token was correct, I would have played him having a bolter and no limited range. Easier to follow the stats on the counter than trying to remember he has limited range.


But now we have an official statement that the counter is correct. Case closed.


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Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [08/11/2018] à 08:57

Quote from Mad Scientist on [07/11/2018] à 23:38

Br Vandius weapon CAN be clearly identified on his unit token, it's a pistol. It's the recruitment tile ART that's either pistol or bolter (probably pistol).


To me it looks like a bolter held so it is pointing "down" from the viewer, and as such is suffering from forced perspective. The fact that the pistols seem to have a different body than the bolters is what I was keying off of to say "bolter" rather than "pistol".


Sgt Vorolanus has a pistol, it has the bulky body of a pistol.

Same for Sgt. Vandar. Bulky pistol body again.

Sgt. Ixion also has a pistol, and it looks like a pistol.

Chaplain Orad has a very funky looking weapon, but again does not look like a bolter.

Br. Venatio has a black pistol, but again the body looks like a pistol very short and chunky.


Anyway, that was the reason for my seeing what Vandius was holding as a bolter with a bit of perhaps bad perspective but still the body of a bolter.


Thanks for explaining the other weapons, I do appreciate it.


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Missing icon and wrong cost. Posted on [08/11/2018] à 23:06

Ok. Thanks for your clarifications Nostradunwhich.

Guess we'll play him as having a bolter then.


Chaplain Orad is holding a chain-axe in left hand and his right hand weapon is a bit harder to tell. I'd guess it's a pistol and the 4 range icon seems to confirm this. The reason his pistol looks a bit odd is that I believe he has a scope on the pistol, which is common in 40K.


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