Hello, I believe I have found 2 tiles with errors.

1. I have an Ork Extra Armour that cost 15pts, while the others cost 10pts.

(Don't know if it's from DZ, base, or reinforcements)

2. SM Standard Bearer – Vandius, is the only SM Character without a limited firing range of four squares icon on the token. It seems pretty clear he's holding a pistol and the other units have been consistent between this icon and image portrayed.

Let me know. Thanks.

Quote from Quickle on [06/11/2018] à 09:03

There are other inconsistencies between the preorder bonuses and the rest. I think Devil Pig Games finalized the preorder tiles before the rest of the game. As a result, there are some differences like this.

Such as? Please open a new thread for the various issues to help other players find them when they come to the forums later.

Quote from Nostradunwhich on [06/11/2018] à 23:28

Cpt. Secandius has the Twin-Linked icon, and although my knowledge of WH40K is a bit out of date, wouldn't that be a twin-bolter, not a pistol? I did not think there was a twin pistol in 40K

Do you mean Cpt Sicarius?

He appears to be holding a Storm Bolter, which always have two barrels.

The tell-tale sign is the hanging ammo chain below it, only Storm Bolters and Heavy Bolters have those. (to my knowledge)

Standard marines typically have Bolters.

Terminators typically have Storm Bolters.

A few hard-core marines have had Storm Bolters.

So not too surprising if Sicarius has it.

I have seen twin-linked bolters before but it was on a vehicle.

Haven't heard of twin-linked bolt pistols before.

Quote from Nostradunwhich on [07/11/2018] à 04:38

But as for Brother Vandius, I am not sure that IS a pistol in his hand. Sgt Vandar has a pistol and it looks nothing like what is in Vandius' hand. Is there some description I am missing or a picture I am not remembering that shows him with a pistol?

Re: Sgt Vandar

His recruitment tile shows him holding a bolter. His unit token shows him holding in his left hand a red bolt pistol, shown sideways a.k.a gangsta style 😉 (The thing in his right hand is a chain-sword).

Re: Br Vandius

His support tile makes it difficult to see the exact weapon, however, the clip can just be seen which indicates a bolter or bolt pistol. His unit token shows him holdingin his left hand a grey bolt pistol, shown from above.

Does that clear it up?

For what it's worth, many of the older GW marine banner bearer figures had boltguns.

So I'm gonna treat Brother Vandius as having a boltgun, so his range is a normal boltgun range and not the limited bolt pistol range.

Also, a storm bolter (i.e. bolter with 2 barrels) is a common weapon available to SM officers.

Every picture I see shows him with a Bolter, not a pistol, so the token is correct as far as I can see.

Quote from Nostradunwhich on [07/11/2018] à 19:54

Every picture I see shows him with a Bolter, not a pistol, so the token is correct as far as I can see.

Google Brother Vandius.

The third image should be him with a golden bolt pistol and no helmet.

It seems we are at a dilemma.

Whether we say it's a bolter or a pistol it's ultimately our personal bias and opinion only.

Will we get an official verdict on this?

Can whomever designed this character for HoBR confirm the intentional exclusion of the 4 square firing limit?

They did not forget. I linked the discussion to Guillaume and he said that the token is correct. Sorry for not mentioning that sooner.

I was trying to determine if there was some sort of WH40K thing that lead to this being brought up as errata. He is not an officer, so as a veteran line trooper it is not a stretch to think he would be armed with a bolter.

I get that people see patterns all the time, but there is certainly no set pattern that most single-figure units have pistols.

Sgt Telion does not have a pistol.

Sgt Elias does not have one either.

(Sgts are about 3:5 pistols, but it is certainly not all of them.)

Cpt Sicarius doesn't have a pistol.

So Br. Vandius is hardly the only exception to the proposed pattern.

He is an Ancient (veteran) and not a Sgt or Captain, which to my mind would give him less chance of having a pistol.

Sorry if I seem to be arguing about this, I am just trying to find a reasonable set of rules to help people reason through such things and be able to resolve a question during a game. If the game mechanics are applied consistently and logically, it makes it easier to deal with questions. So I was digging into this one to try and understand the situation.

Not sure if this is coming across as I intend, apologies in advance if I am not being clear. I did not mean anything by the discussion, as I said I was just trying to understand where people were coming from.

Quote from Mad Scientist on [07/11/2018] à 23:38

Br Vandius weapon CAN be clearly identified on his unit token, it's a pistol. It's the recruitment tile ART that's either pistol or bolter (probably pistol).

To me it looks like a bolter held so it is pointing "down" from the viewer, and as such is suffering from forced perspective. The fact that the pistols seem to have a different body than the bolters is what I was keying off of to say "bolter" rather than "pistol".

Sgt Vorolanus has a pistol, it has the bulky body of a pistol.

Same for Sgt. Vandar. Bulky pistol body again.

Sgt. Ixion also has a pistol, and it looks like a pistol.

Chaplain Orad has a very funky looking weapon, but again does not look like a bolter.

Br. Venatio has a black pistol, but again the body looks like a pistol very short and chunky.

Anyway, that was the reason for my seeing what Vandius was holding as a bolter with a bit of perhaps bad perspective but still the body of a bolter.

Thanks for explaining the other weapons, I do appreciate it.